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		<title>By: John Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Fiorentino</dc:creator>
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		<description>I can assume by the lack of response, that Dr. Starr is re-thinking the value of Coyne&#039;s fable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can assume by the lack of response, that Dr. Starr is re-thinking the value of Coyne's fable?</p>
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		<title>By: jfiorentino</title>
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		<description>Is Tiktaalik really all it&#039;s cracked up to be?

I&#039;m afraid Coyne may be a little behind the times, or maybe he&#039;s ahead of his time?

Confusing? You bet it is. Some FACTS on the newest &quot;fossil du jour.&quot;

PBS&#039;s &quot;Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial&quot; featured Tiktaalik as their premier transitional fossil (an anachronism since the fossil wasn’t even reported until months AFTER the Dover trial concluded).

The National Academy of Science’s 2008 &quot;Science, Evolution, and Creationism&quot; booklet also prominently features Tiktaalik, pushing it as &quot;a notable transitional form.&quot;

The latest retroactive confessions of evolutionist ignorance comes on the heels of a published re-analysis of the bones of Panderichthys. The study used CT scans to show Panderichthys apparently had a few well-defined radial bones in its pectoral fins. (Radial bones are found only in fish fins, but evolutionary paleontologists contend that radial bones are homologous to digits in tetrapod limbs.) When commenting on this new find, the paper’s lead author, Catherine A. Boisvert, boasted in an interview with The Scientist that &quot;it is now completely proven that fingers have evolved from distal radials already present in fish that gave rise to the tetrapod.&quot; Boisvert also praised her findings, stating: &quot;The disposition of distal radials in Panderichthys are much more tetrapod-like than in Tiktaalik.&quot;

Confident that her fossil showed evolution better than Tiktaalik, Boisvert and other Darwinists then proceeded to admit striking criticisms of Tiktaalik: The interview with Boisvert at The Scientist states, &quot;Previous data from another ancient fish called Tiktaalik showed distal radials as well -- although the quality of that specimen was poor. And the orientation of the radials did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other.&quot;

Also, as reported in a National Geographic (NG) news article, not all evolutionary paleontologists are convinced that these bones were the precursors to real tetrapod digits:
Michael Coates, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago, called the new findings &quot;intriguing&quot; but is not convinced that the digit-like structures in Panderichthys&#039;s fin are the equivalent of our fingers.

For one thing, they seem unusually flat for radial bones, Coates said.

&quot;Radials are generally cylindrical. When you look at [a] cross-section [of the digit], they&#039;re dumbbell-shaped.&quot;

The structures are so peculiar, they might just be fragments of damaged bone, he added.

In the same NG article, one of the paper&#039;s co-authors Per Ahlberg said that if Tiktaalik were to remain the form that is closer to
tetrapods, then &quot;finger development took a step backward with Tiktaalik, and that Tiktaalik&#039;s fins represented an evolutionary return to a more primitive form.&quot; In other words, at least some of the alleged similarities to tetrapods found in these fossils do not actually represent features that are homologous to tetrapods, i.e. they are convergent similarities, also called homoplasies. This means that similarities between these lobed-finned fish fossils and tetrapods imply homology, except for when they don&#039;t, making the Darwinian rationale for inferring &quot;homology&quot; appear weak and arbitrary.

My main observation is this: if Panderichthys is dethroning Tiktaalik as the icon of the fish-to-tetrapod transition, what does that say about all the hype we&#039;ve seen surrounding Tiktaalik? It says that &quot;poor&quot; and &quot;primitive&quot; Tiktaalik was never all it was hyped up to be.

Contradictory Confessions

The problem with making too many retroactive confessions of ignorance is that sometimes they contradict one another. For example, when Tiktaalik was reported, Darwinists attacked Panderichthys as being un-tetrapod-like, stating:

Panderichthys possesses relatively few tetrapod synapomorphies, and provides only partial insight into the origin of major features of the skull, limbs and axial skeleton of early tetrapods. In view of the morphological gap between elpistostegalian fish and tetrapods, the phylogenetic framework for the immediate sister group of tetrapods has been incomplete and our understanding of major anatomical transformations at the fish-tetrapod transition has remained limited.

(Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin, and Farish A. Jenkins, &quot;A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan,&quot; Nature, Vol. 440:757-763 (April 6, 2006).)

Now that Panderichthys is back in vogue, they are attacking Tiktaalik as a fossil of &quot;poor&quot; quality with radials that &quot;did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other.&quot; But with Tiktaalik dethroned, it seems that there are many reasons to critique its would-be successor, Panderichthys.

Darwinists are famous for making retroactive confessions of ignorance, where they only admit how poor the evidence was for a given fossil transition after some new fossil (which supposedly better demonstrates evolution) is reported. Darwinists have used this approach multiple times in the past when discussing the alleged fish-to-amphibian evolutionary transition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Tiktaalik really all it's cracked up to be?</p>
<p>I'm afraid Coyne may be a little behind the times, or maybe he's ahead of his time?</p>
<p>Confusing? You bet it is. Some FACTS on the newest "fossil du jour."</p>
<p>PBS's "Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial" featured Tiktaalik as their premier transitional fossil (an anachronism since the fossil wasn’t even reported until months AFTER the Dover trial concluded).</p>
<p>The National Academy of Science’s 2008 "Science, Evolution, and Creationism" booklet also prominently features Tiktaalik, pushing it as "a notable transitional form."</p>
<p>The latest retroactive confessions of evolutionist ignorance comes on the heels of a published re-analysis of the bones of Panderichthys. The study used CT scans to show Panderichthys apparently had a few well-defined radial bones in its pectoral fins. (Radial bones are found only in fish fins, but evolutionary paleontologists contend that radial bones are homologous to digits in tetrapod limbs.) When commenting on this new find, the paper’s lead author, Catherine A. Boisvert, boasted in an interview with The Scientist that "it is now completely proven that fingers have evolved from distal radials already present in fish that gave rise to the tetrapod." Boisvert also praised her findings, stating: "The disposition of distal radials in Panderichthys are much more tetrapod-like than in Tiktaalik."</p>
<p>Confident that her fossil showed evolution better than Tiktaalik, Boisvert and other Darwinists then proceeded to admit striking criticisms of Tiktaalik: The interview with Boisvert at The Scientist states, "Previous data from another ancient fish called Tiktaalik showed distal radials as well &#8212; although the quality of that specimen was poor. And the orientation of the radials did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other."</p>
<p>Also, as reported in a National Geographic (NG) news article, not all evolutionary paleontologists are convinced that these bones were the precursors to real tetrapod digits:<br />
Michael Coates, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago, called the new findings "intriguing" but is not convinced that the digit-like structures in Panderichthys's fin are the equivalent of our fingers.</p>
<p>For one thing, they seem unusually flat for radial bones, Coates said.</p>
<p>"Radials are generally cylindrical. When you look at [a] cross-section [of the digit], they're dumbbell-shaped."</p>
<p>The structures are so peculiar, they might just be fragments of damaged bone, he added.</p>
<p>In the same NG article, one of the paper's co-authors Per Ahlberg said that if Tiktaalik were to remain the form that is closer to<br />
tetrapods, then "finger development took a step backward with Tiktaalik, and that Tiktaalik's fins represented an evolutionary return to a more primitive form." In other words, at least some of the alleged similarities to tetrapods found in these fossils do not actually represent features that are homologous to tetrapods, i.e. they are convergent similarities, also called homoplasies. This means that similarities between these lobed-finned fish fossils and tetrapods imply homology, except for when they don't, making the Darwinian rationale for inferring "homology" appear weak and arbitrary.</p>
<p>My main observation is this: if Panderichthys is dethroning Tiktaalik as the icon of the fish-to-tetrapod transition, what does that say about all the hype we've seen surrounding Tiktaalik? It says that "poor" and "primitive" Tiktaalik was never all it was hyped up to be.</p>
<p>Contradictory Confessions</p>
<p>The problem with making too many retroactive confessions of ignorance is that sometimes they contradict one another. For example, when Tiktaalik was reported, Darwinists attacked Panderichthys as being un-tetrapod-like, stating:</p>
<p>Panderichthys possesses relatively few tetrapod synapomorphies, and provides only partial insight into the origin of major features of the skull, limbs and axial skeleton of early tetrapods. In view of the morphological gap between elpistostegalian fish and tetrapods, the phylogenetic framework for the immediate sister group of tetrapods has been incomplete and our understanding of major anatomical transformations at the fish-tetrapod transition has remained limited.</p>
<p>(Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin, and Farish A. Jenkins, "A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan," Nature, Vol. 440:757-763 (April 6, 2006).)</p>
<p>Now that Panderichthys is back in vogue, they are attacking Tiktaalik as a fossil of "poor" quality with radials that "did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other." But with Tiktaalik dethroned, it seems that there are many reasons to critique its would-be successor, Panderichthys.</p>
<p>Darwinists are famous for making retroactive confessions of ignorance, where they only admit how poor the evidence was for a given fossil transition after some new fossil (which supposedly better demonstrates evolution) is reported. Darwinists have used this approach multiple times in the past when discussing the alleged fish-to-amphibian evolutionary transition.</p>
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