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	<title>Comments on: Discuss the “Condors vs. Lead Bullets” TV story</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 20:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STORY UPDATE: US Army soldiers have a new, “green” bullet in their arsenal. According to the Army, &quot;The Enhanced Performance Round contains an environmentally friendly projectile that eliminates up to 2,000 tons of lead from the manufacturing process each year in direct support of Army commitment to environmental stewardship.&quot;
Read more here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/green-ammo-lead-free-ammunition-army_n_857409.html
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/army_green_ammo_062310w/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STORY UPDATE: US Army soldiers have a new, “green” bullet in their arsenal. According to the Army, "The Enhanced Performance Round contains an environmentally friendly projectile that eliminates up to 2,000 tons of lead from the manufacturing process each year in direct support of Army commitment to environmental stewardship."<br />
Read more here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/green-ammo-lead-free-ammunition-army_n_857409.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/green-ammo-lead-free-ammunition-army_n_857409.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/army_green_ammo_062310w/" rel="nofollow">http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/army_green_ammo_062310w/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STORY UPDATE &quot;The California condor population has just increased by two.  City News Service says the first two condor chicks of the year were born last week at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park.&quot;

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/03/22/state/n063853D43.DTL#ixzz1HLmFpAIN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STORY UPDATE "The California condor population has just increased by two.  City News Service says the first two condor chicks of the year were born last week at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park."</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/03/22/state/n063853D43.DTL#ixzz1HLmFpAIN" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/03/22/state/n063853D43.DTL#ixzz1HLmFpAIN</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the Lead Out of Hunting
By ANTHONY PRIETO
Published: December 15, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/opinion/16prieto.html?_r=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the Lead Out of Hunting<br />
By ANTHONY PRIETO<br />
Published: December 15, 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update on Pinnacles Condor Chick

As reported before, Pinnacles National Monument&#039;s first wild-born California Condor chick in over 100 years had to be removed and taken to the LA Zoo to be treated for high lead levels. According to this month&#039;s San Francisco Bay Area National Parks Natural Resources and Science Update, the chick has adapted well to life at the zoo and is growing normally but it’s still too early to know if it will have permanent neurological impairment and behavioral problems. If it continues to do well, it will be evaluated next spring to see if it can eventually be returned to the wild with other captive-reared condors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on Pinnacles Condor Chick</p>
<p>As reported before, Pinnacles National Monument's first wild-born California Condor chick in over 100 years had to be removed and taken to the LA Zoo to be treated for high lead levels. According to this month's San Francisco Bay Area National Parks Natural Resources and Science Update, the chick has adapted well to life at the zoo and is growing normally but it’s still too early to know if it will have permanent neurological impairment and behavioral problems. If it continues to do well, it will be evaluated next spring to see if it can eventually be returned to the wild with other captive-reared condors</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Viess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Viess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see two issues here: one, requiring hunters to use a less toxic bullet, copper vs lead, which is something that will help all wildlife and the environment. The fact that condors are particularly sensitive to this heavy metal and their population is so critically low as to be affected by the deaths of only a handful of birds gives this argument its weight and urgency. But surely all scavenging wildlife, water-sources, etc. would benefit by less available lead in the environment. It&#039;s why we switched our gas to unleaded, fer heavins sake. I think that we can all agree that healthy wildlife (and humans) are a good thing.

The second and more important issue is, are we doing the right thing? Condor keeping takes a lot of money. A constant flow of money, in fact, since none of these populations are self-supporting. So, to justify spending all of that money, when money is tight everywhere, sometimes one will overstate an argument or position.

In fact, electrical towers DO kill condors (and eagles) at least until folks figured out how to modify them so their wings didn&#039;t touch the wrong wires simultaneously. Condors eating garbage IS a problem, and why despite condor eggs being laid and chicks getting hatched, there have been no fledges. Human habituation and the lack of educated condor adults in the wild is also a huge problem...if you live for 50 years, you must learn something valuable over those decades. And what you learn must then get passed down to your offspring so that they, too, can survive. But as it stands now, at any crisis, the birds get pulled back into captivity. Got forest fire? Come on home, boys!

This does not create a wild flock; it creates a tame, micro-managed flock that may never be able to survive on its own.

Are they beautiful to see in the wild? You bet. But they are numbered, patagial-tagged and radio-tagged within an inch of their lives.

By no means are these wild birds. When I saw a flock at Big Sur, they waddled over to a few feet away...I swear to god I coulda tucked one of those big suckers under my arm and carted it off...if I didn&#039;t mind a little condor vomit on my tennies.

The point made about the Pleistocene is not that some of the mammals and birds survived to this day, but that the MEGAFAUNA, upon which these birds depended, has died out. Dude, where are my Giant Sloths? And Giant Beavers? Mastodons? Mammoths?...well, you get the picture. The condors are indeed a relict species, designed for a different time. Their populations were low even before the advent of human hunters and lead bullets.

I was around when the original discussion raged over whether to bring them in to captivity or leave them (no doubt to die off) in the wild. The captive breeders won that round, the birds were brought in, and then thoroughly and tragically habituated to humans.

Sure, it was a last ditch effort, but badly managed. And now, no teachers left in the wild to show them how to do it right. Does it stress the birds to capture and handle them constantly? Judging from the work that I have done with wildlife, I would say yes, and if you work with them, then I&#039;ll bet that you would say yes, too.

These birds are fed by humans, managed by humans and maybe someday, for good or for ill, left in peace by humans.

It is not wrong to ask these questions and look hard at the answers. What we do here may not be what&#039;s best for the BIRDS, unless half-tame but hugely and expensively micro-managed wildlife is your thing. And in the end, perhaps, all for nothing.

There is a parallel here with the whooping cranes. God knows I love those birds. I have observed them in the wild and worked with them in captivity, and I have seen introduced birds and the original wild flock from Arkansas and the two populations are worlds apart in behavior and survival. Reintroduction isn&#039;t working. It makes for some charming video when youngsters follow a light plane, but those birds are not wild. Nests are being predated or the birds themselves are getting eaten by predators like raccoons; expensive raccoon food. When I visited the introduced Florida flock several years ago, they fed from grain hoppers, like big white turkeys, again with those damned bands and one bird dangled a broken leg because of them. Another was found dead the same day of unknown causes.

Locals had birds coming up to their houses and pecking at their own reflections on their screen doors. Those are not wild birds, either.

Better to preserve what we have, birds or mammals already in the wild and truly wild, then attempt to recreate some sort of ersatz wildlife experience by propping up a dying species, especially through reintroductions that really don&#039;t seem to work, and at great expense to both humans and the species we are trying to save.

You can&#039;t go home again, brothers and sisters.

Debbie Viess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see two issues here: one, requiring hunters to use a less toxic bullet, copper vs lead, which is something that will help all wildlife and the environment. The fact that condors are particularly sensitive to this heavy metal and their population is so critically low as to be affected by the deaths of only a handful of birds gives this argument its weight and urgency. But surely all scavenging wildlife, water-sources, etc. would benefit by less available lead in the environment. It's why we switched our gas to unleaded, fer heavins sake. I think that we can all agree that healthy wildlife (and humans) are a good thing.</p>
<p>The second and more important issue is, are we doing the right thing? Condor keeping takes a lot of money. A constant flow of money, in fact, since none of these populations are self-supporting. So, to justify spending all of that money, when money is tight everywhere, sometimes one will overstate an argument or position.</p>
<p>In fact, electrical towers DO kill condors (and eagles) at least until folks figured out how to modify them so their wings didn't touch the wrong wires simultaneously. Condors eating garbage IS a problem, and why despite condor eggs being laid and chicks getting hatched, there have been no fledges. Human habituation and the lack of educated condor adults in the wild is also a huge problem&#8230;if you live for 50 years, you must learn something valuable over those decades. And what you learn must then get passed down to your offspring so that they, too, can survive. But as it stands now, at any crisis, the birds get pulled back into captivity. Got forest fire? Come on home, boys!</p>
<p>This does not create a wild flock; it creates a tame, micro-managed flock that may never be able to survive on its own.</p>
<p>Are they beautiful to see in the wild? You bet. But they are numbered, patagial-tagged and radio-tagged within an inch of their lives.</p>
<p>By no means are these wild birds. When I saw a flock at Big Sur, they waddled over to a few feet away&#8230;I swear to god I coulda tucked one of those big suckers under my arm and carted it off&#8230;if I didn't mind a little condor vomit on my tennies.</p>
<p>The point made about the Pleistocene is not that some of the mammals and birds survived to this day, but that the MEGAFAUNA, upon which these birds depended, has died out. Dude, where are my Giant Sloths? And Giant Beavers? Mastodons? Mammoths?&#8230;well, you get the picture. The condors are indeed a relict species, designed for a different time. Their populations were low even before the advent of human hunters and lead bullets.</p>
<p>I was around when the original discussion raged over whether to bring them in to captivity or leave them (no doubt to die off) in the wild. The captive breeders won that round, the birds were brought in, and then thoroughly and tragically habituated to humans.</p>
<p>Sure, it was a last ditch effort, but badly managed. And now, no teachers left in the wild to show them how to do it right. Does it stress the birds to capture and handle them constantly? Judging from the work that I have done with wildlife, I would say yes, and if you work with them, then I'll bet that you would say yes, too.</p>
<p>These birds are fed by humans, managed by humans and maybe someday, for good or for ill, left in peace by humans.</p>
<p>It is not wrong to ask these questions and look hard at the answers. What we do here may not be what's best for the BIRDS, unless half-tame but hugely and expensively micro-managed wildlife is your thing. And in the end, perhaps, all for nothing.</p>
<p>There is a parallel here with the whooping cranes. God knows I love those birds. I have observed them in the wild and worked with them in captivity, and I have seen introduced birds and the original wild flock from Arkansas and the two populations are worlds apart in behavior and survival. Reintroduction isn't working. It makes for some charming video when youngsters follow a light plane, but those birds are not wild. Nests are being predated or the birds themselves are getting eaten by predators like raccoons; expensive raccoon food. When I visited the introduced Florida flock several years ago, they fed from grain hoppers, like big white turkeys, again with those damned bands and one bird dangled a broken leg because of them. Another was found dead the same day of unknown causes.</p>
<p>Locals had birds coming up to their houses and pecking at their own reflections on their screen doors. Those are not wild birds, either.</p>
<p>Better to preserve what we have, birds or mammals already in the wild and truly wild, then attempt to recreate some sort of ersatz wildlife experience by propping up a dying species, especially through reintroductions that really don't seem to work, and at great expense to both humans and the species we are trying to save.</p>
<p>You can't go home again, brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>Debbie Viess</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the National Park Service, last month the Condor Chick in the Pinnacles needed to be evacuated and treated due to high lead exposure. Despite attempts to treat it in the nest, the chick and also its father had to be taken to the L.A. Zoo for treatment. The mother condor had levels of lead in her bloodstream, but so high as to require treatment. The park will keep the temporary closure area around the nest in until they determine whether the nestling can be returned to the wild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the National Park Service, last month the Condor Chick in the Pinnacles needed to be evacuated and treated due to high lead exposure. Despite attempts to treat it in the nest, the chick and also its father had to be taken to the L.A. Zoo for treatment. The mother condor had levels of lead in her bloodstream, but so high as to require treatment. The park will keep the temporary closure area around the nest in until they determine whether the nestling can be returned to the wild.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first time in more than a century, it&#039;s being reported that a wild California condor chick has hatched at Pinnacles National Monument!

For more on this story, check out:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_14833984?nclick_check=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time in more than a century, it's being reported that a wild California condor chick has hatched at Pinnacles National Monument!</p>
<p>For more on this story, check out:<br />
<a href="http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_14833984?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_14833984?nclick_check=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good news coming from Pinnacles National Monument east of central California&#039;s Salinas Valley-  Biologists have announced a mating pair of endangered California condors have nested and laid the first wild condor egg at Pinnacles National Monument in more than 100 years.  They should be tending the nest for the next few months and hopefully soon we’ll see the first wild condor born to park.
Last October another Pinnacles pair hatched a fledgling on a neighboring ranch. Unfortunately, the female later died of lead poisoning.
To read more about the nesting love birds, see:
http://magblog.audubon.org/first-condor-egg-100-years-found

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/10/BAV01CD6K6.DTL&amp;tsp=1

http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good news coming from Pinnacles National Monument east of central California's Salinas Valley-  Biologists have announced a mating pair of endangered California condors have nested and laid the first wild condor egg at Pinnacles National Monument in more than 100 years.  They should be tending the nest for the next few months and hopefully soon we’ll see the first wild condor born to park.<br />
Last October another Pinnacles pair hatched a fledgling on a neighboring ranch. Unfortunately, the female later died of lead poisoning.<br />
To read more about the nesting love birds, see:<br />
<a href="http://magblog.audubon.org/first-condor-egg-100-years-found" rel="nofollow">http://magblog.audubon.org/first-condor-egg-100-years-found</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/10/BAV01CD6K6.DTL&#038;tsp=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/10/BAV01CD6K6.DTL&#038;tsp=1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The science is clear.  And now the USGS has a very comprehensive report on the effects of lead poisoning in Wild Birds.  And for you doubting patriots out there, perhaps seeing a Bald Eagle dead on a metal table, killed by lead poisoning might help your perspective.  Read the report and see the photos here:
http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/fact_sheets/pdfs/lead_poisoning_wild_birds_2009.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The science is clear.  And now the USGS has a very comprehensive report on the effects of lead poisoning in Wild Birds.  And for you doubting patriots out there, perhaps seeing a Bald Eagle dead on a metal table, killed by lead poisoning might help your perspective.  Read the report and see the photos here:<br />
<a href="http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/fact_sheets/pdfs/lead_poisoning_wild_birds_2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/fact_sheets/pdfs/lead_poisoning_wild_birds_2009.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to news story today, a critically endangered California condor, which was released into the wild in 2003 at Pinnacles National Monument, has died of lead poisoning.  The iconic California condor is so endangered, the loss of just one of these birds in monumental. Condor No. 286 died Monday May 11th after Los Angeles zoo officials worked for more than a month to remove lead from his bloodstream. He had lost more than half of his 24-pound body weight.  The condor was poisoned by ingesting lead ammunition used by game hunters. According to the report biologists found the bird also had multiple birdshot wounds, although that did not contribute to the poisoning.

For more information see:
http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/12/state/n125820D32.DTL&amp;tsp=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to news story today, a critically endangered California condor, which was released into the wild in 2003 at Pinnacles National Monument, has died of lead poisoning.  The iconic California condor is so endangered, the loss of just one of these birds in monumental. Condor No. 286 died Monday May 11th after Los Angeles zoo officials worked for more than a month to remove lead from his bloodstream. He had lost more than half of his 24-pound body weight.  The condor was poisoned by ingesting lead ammunition used by game hunters. According to the report biologists found the bird also had multiple birdshot wounds, although that did not contribute to the poisoning.</p>
<p>For more information see:<br />
<a href="http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nps.gov/pinn/naturescience/condors.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/12/state/n125820D32.DTL&#038;tsp=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/12/state/n125820D32.DTL&#038;tsp=1</a></p>
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